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           [e-mail] "JOHN BRUCE" writes:

> I have recently installed WINSOCK.  When I run DICSUBAT unbatching of the newly
>  arrived
> news fails (no errors indicated). I then ran Demon from Windows (something I
>  had never done before)
> and I discovered the same problem - although satisfactory when run from DOS.
> If I exit from Windows completely and then run DICSUBAT or Demon the news is
>  unbatched!
>
> I have concluded that the commonality of the failure rests with UNBATCH.EXE in
>  direcectory SNEWS.
>
> Help, any ideas.

This has nothing to do with winsock, it is a windows problem.  Try adding
the -s switch to unbatch to turn off the disk space checking.

Regards,

    Paul
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Subject: Re: In search of.... Winsock telnet app with KERMIT support

In article <2oulrb$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Anthony Olejnik) writes:
>From: [e-mail] (Anthony Olejnik)
>Subject: In search of.... Winsock telnet app with KERMIT support
>Date: 18 Apr 1994 19:08:27 GMT

>Does anyone know of a (public domain/shareware/commercial/etc.)
>Winsock telnet application which *ALSO* supports the KERMIT
>file transfer protocol?

>I have the need to establish a telnet session with a particular
>host that does not support FTP.  Instead, it only supports KERMIT.

>Currently, I'm using Novell's LWP with Columbia University's
>MS-Kermit v3.13.  However, I need a true MS-Windows app that will
>work on top of a winsock-complient TCP/IP stack.

>Any help would be greatly appreciated.

>thanks in advance.

>--tony

KERMIT is a protocal for file transfer via dialup, it isn't a TCP client. If
the host in question isn't running an ftp daemon then you might consider
telneting into the remote host and doing an ftp back to yourself. This done by
running an ftp server on your PC. Two that work are ws_ftd and WinQvt397 for
winsock.


Larry Clay
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Subject: Re: HELP me I am stupid!

In article <2p6nt7$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (wilber) writes:
>Path: nwnexus!cyber2.cyberstore.ca!math.ohio-state.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!sdd.hp.com!swrinde!ihnp4.ucsd.edu!pacbell.com!UB.com!kaiwan.com!not-for-mail
>From: [e-mail] (wilber)
>Newsgroups: alt.winsock
>Subject: HELP me I am stupid!
>Date: 21 Apr 1994 13:32:39 -0700
>Organization: KAIWAN Internet (310/527-4279,818/756-0180,714/741-2920)
>Lines: 6
>Message-ID: <2p6nt7$[e-mail]>
>NNTP-Posting-Host: kaiwan.kaiwan.com
>X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2]


>        Ok this is how i access the internet, I turn on my PC, I call a
>company called KAIWAN, I then logon, now I am in the internet... This
>company is a UNIX based system. So my question is: IS WINSOCK FOR ME?

>[e-mail]

I guess you just missed my 'winsock for beginners' posting. I'll email one to
you. It'll explain what it is and step you through a few of the more popular
shareware client that I use.


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Subject: Why did WSARCHIE...  update

In article <[e-mail]> I wrote:

>I am using the Netmanage stack (Chameleon).  I was using version 4.0, then
>upgraded to 4.00.4.  I previously used WSARCHIE 0.2 with no problem.  I think
>it worked with the new version of the Netmanage stack.  Anyway, I reinstalled
>the old version, and tried WSARCHIE versions 0.2 and 0.5 with both.  Same
>error every time.  I don't know what has changed, because it used to work
>fine.  I can try the Trumpet winsock and see if that works if you like, David.
>Thanks for a great program (if only I can get it to work again!)

Then the author of WSArchie, David Woakes, wrote:

>Thanks for the info. What your getting is nameserver look up failure. If
>you've checked that already, I'm at a loss. I'm going to try the demo
>chameleon software, but I've not been able to get it to log in properly yet!

In addition to the DNS problem, I was having problems with WSArchie crashing
windows when a search was started, and I was also having problems with windows
crashing on exit from the Chameleon software, or on attempting to exit
windows. Here was my setup:

Windows for Workgroups 3.11 using 32-bit disk and file access.
Norton Desktop for Windows 2.2
Netmanage's Chameleon Winsock software.
GW2K P5-60; 8 Mb Ram, 23 Mb Swap file

I had previously tried re-installing NDW 2.2 and WFWG 3.11.  This did not
solve my crashing problems.  So, yesterday I re-installed Windows 3.1 over
WFWG 3.11.  So far, everything is now running fine.  WSArchie 0.2 and 0.5
both work fine now.  I have heard of incompatibilities with WFWG and NDW, and
that may be the case.  My disk access is slower, but at least the system
_appears_ tp be stable.  I'll wait and see.

Michael
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Subject: Re: client/server apps?

In article <[e-mail]> "James A. Zaun" <[e-mail]> writes:
>Path: nwnexus!uunet!gatekeeper.us.oracle.com!barrnet.net!infoserv!zaun!jim
>Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
>Date: Thursday, 21 April 1994 05:32:22 PST
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>From: "James A. Zaun" <[e-mail]>
>Organization: Boulder Creek, CA.
>Subject: client/server apps?
>Newsgroups: alt.winsock
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>Since my last posting received no response, I'll try again.  Does anybody
>have any experience doing client/server apps on win32s?  My employer wants
>to provide the same mix of client/server apps under Win32s that are already
>in existence on UNIX platforms.  They give me two requirements:

>Requirement 1: Support any mixture of clients and servers across Windows and
>  UNIX platforms using IP (Internet Protocol via TCP/UDP/RPC).

>Requirement 2: If all clients/servers end up on a single Windows/PC host,
>  no network adapter shall be required. (i.e. virtual local loop-back).
>
>Can Winsock handle this?  Or, will I have to use different protocols
>depending on whether the clients and servers are local or remote?  Or, even
>if all this is possible, will performance totally suck (on an 8Mb 386-33)?
>Or, maybe it all depends on the which Winsock DLL and driver I use -- some
>do, some don't?

>I read the ws_guide and the MSJ article "Networking under Windows" (Nov 93)
>which left me more confused than enlightened.  Can anybody suggest other
>readings on this topic?

>Any experiences, suggestions, or bits of advice would be most appreciated.

>In case you are interested, I'm working on a distributed C/C++ development
>environment where you can download and debug C/C++ apps over the network (or
>locally) on various targets (x86, 960, 68k, Power-PC, etc).

>Internet:        [e-mail]             CompuServe:  71652,1762
>America Online:  JamesAZaun                        Telephone:   1,408-338-7679

Im doing something very similar although the SAME MACHINE option doesnt
actually exist for me but my solution will handle it.  A company called
Wonderware has a product called netDDE (the same one that comes with WFW) and
a Unix side server SDK.  You plug your Unix server API into the server SDK and
it will take to the netDDE middleware on the PC. Your client talks DDE to the
netDDE middleware. Since its DDE, the same client could talk to a local server
too.  Post back if you interested in this direction and I'll dig out a phone
number for you tomorrow-- its at work :)
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The WinVn newsreader will not be able to send e-mail if you install the HPUX
sendmail patch PHNE_4040.  This patch makes sendmail issue an rfc821-
compliant multiline greeting, which WinVn is not expecting.

The WinVn authors have been notified, and they've added the problem to their
"to do" list.
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Subject: Running UNBATCH from WINDOWS 3.11

I have recently installed WINSOCK.  When I run DICSUBAT unbatching of the newly arrived
news fails (no errors indicated). I then ran Demon from Windows (something I had never done before)
and I discovered the same problem - although satisfactory when run from DOS.
If I exit from Windows completely and then run DICSUBAT or Demon the news is unbatched!

I have concluded that the commonality of the failure rests with UNBATCH.EXE in direcectory SNEWS.

Help, any ideas.
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Subject: Re: 32-bit Mosaic sucks up my memory!

In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (John P. Hammonds) writes:
>From: [e-mail] (John P. Hammonds)
>Subject: Re: 32-bit Mosaic sucks up my memory!
>Summary: 32-bit applications take more memory
>Date: Wed, 20 Apr 1994 07:26:01 GMT

>In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Jon Tara)
>writes:
>>From: [e-mail] (Jon Tara)
>>Subject: Re: 32-bit Mosaic sucks up my memory!
>>Date: Mon, 18 Apr 1994 01:41:20 GMT
>>Summary: 32-bit applications take more memory

>>In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail]
>(Tom
>>Grelinger) writes:

>>>In article <[e-mail]>

>>>>Hi all,

>>>>When using alpha 3 or 4 of WinMosaic, my free memory drops from about 12 megs
>>>>free to eight or six megs free!  This didn't happen with 2.0a2.  Does anyone
>>>>know if this is a problem with Mosaic, Win32s, or something that I can fix?
>>>>My system has 16 megs RAM with a ~three meg permanent swapfile.

>>>I think experience has taught us both that the 32-bit apps of alpha 3 and 4
>>>take a lot of memory.  I can understand why Windows NT only runs reliable with
>>>more than 16 megs; preferrably 32 meg.  I was trying to run alpha 3 with only
>>>4 MB of physical ram, and it was taking forever.  I'll stick with Alpha 2
>>>until I upgrade memory sometime this summer.

>>The reason it's taking up so much space is becuase it has to load Win32s,
>>which is nornally not loaded until you run a 32-bit application. You now
>>essentially have TWO copies of Windows loaded: one 16-bit and one 32-bit.

>>Of course, the same thing applies with Windows NT, expect it's the other
>>way around. Actually, I think the 16-bit subsystem is loaded automatically
>>by NT, but there is a way to keep it from loading, just in case there is
>>anybody running NT who does *not* regularly use 16-bit apps.

>>BTW, NT runs just fine on my machine with 16MB. I don't think it requires
>>*more* than 16MB to run well - it just doesn't run too nicely with much less
>>than that.

>More than simply running Win32s a 32 bit app will always be larger than
>a 16 bit app.  All of the instructions are 32 bit instaed of 16,  Default word
>sizes are larger etc.  The only way to get around this one is code
>optimization (which has probably been done where possible) and buying more
>memory.

So could somebody please explain the advantages of using a 32 bit application
(advantages to me, the end user, that is....).  I'm equally cloudy on the
advantages of using a DOS "protected mode" application over using a "real
mode" application, but perhaps that's a question for another newsgroup....

- Pete


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Subject: Re: problems w/FTP in WinMosaic

In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Rick Crelia) writes:
>From: [e-mail] (Rick Crelia)
>Subject: problems w/FTP in WinMosaic
>Date: Thu, 21 Apr 94 08:57:16 EDT

>Has anyone noticed problems using Mosaic for MSWindows to establish FTP links?
>I have not been able to reliably connect to FTP sites that have a link of
>the form
>           ftp://ftp.domainname
>
>For example, ftp://wuarchive.wustl.edu works sometimes, and doesn't at other
>times.  I've tried this on many sites, so it doesn't seem to be site-specific
>problem.  BTW, I'm using the alpha 2 version of WMOS.  Any help would be
>appreciated.
>
>Thanks,
>Rick
>
I've had this happens sometimes, and tried WS_FTP immediately, and found
the the site, eg wuarchive.wustl.edu, was not accepting any more anonymous
logins because it had reached its limit. This may be to simple, but could it be
the cause? Mosaic never told me _why_ it failed to connect, just said that it
couldn't.
Doug
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